Do i HAVE to have a data plan to activate my Moto W with Verizon? - Page 2 - Motorola Q Forum

coolguy827 · 07-26-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by n99hockey

definitely agree

then we would have to say... 'i told you so'

Haha wow thanks guys, great advice, can't wait till' i get it!

manbat · 07-28-2008, 04:01 AM

The phone is kinda crippled w/out the data plan. Even MMS is data. A bill w/KB usage can be Big . Usage charges can pile up quickly.

coolguy827 · 07-28-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by manbat

The phone is kinda crippled w/out the data plan. Even MMS is data. A bill w/KB usage can be Big . Usage charges can pile up quickly.

Alright, thanks

backdown00 · 07-28-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by coolguy827

Alright, thanks

To put this to bed, YOU NEED A DATA PLAN. What they dont tell you is the data plan you can choose is pay per kb. This plan is .0153 per kb (15$ per mb). If you choose that plan, you will only be billed for data you use. You can get that plan along with a data block. The data block will ensure you dont use any data, but you will no longer be able to receive MMS either. I suggest reading the link below - very helpful stuff.

http://www.howardforums.com/showpost...21&postcount=1

An update to the link is Verizon now offers a 29.99 email and web plan for the q9c.

n99hockey · 07-28-2008, 11:18 PM

why would you pay for a data plan and then block it?
thats just a waste of money...

if they make you get one when you sign up the you can remove it from the plan the following month and get the block...but to keep it and block it is dumb

backdown00 · 07-29-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by n99hockey

why would you pay for a data plan and then block it?
thats just a waste of money...

if they make you get one when you sign up the you can remove it from the plan the following month and get the block...but to keep it and block it is dumb

Let me try to explain it again. You are not going to pay a monthly fee for the pay per kb plan. Thats why you can choose that plan and block out data and have no charges. The thing is you have to have a data plan, its a must, all pda/smartphones require one. the difference is that you can choose a pay per kb plan and block the data to prevent any charges or prevent any usage of data. Please refer to the link above as it explains it even better

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You can't "remove" the pay per kb plan", it will always be on the account. If you try to change it, it will ask you if you want the 29.99 plan or 44.99 plan. Most people on Verizon who want a phone for its pda abilities and not the internet sign up with the pay per kb plan and block data. There are no monthly charges and they wont ever incur a charge because data is block. Not to try and confuse anyone further but a data block does not count as a data plan, its just an added feature you can put on the account by calling CS.

n99hockey · 07-29-2008, 09:53 AM

i gotcha...i thought you were talking about getting the 29.99 and then blocking it

yea signing up for the pay per kb and blocking is the way to go

Marvelous Merv · 07-29-2008, 10:12 AM

I've seen these strings devolve into flame wars too often in the past. There is a group of people out there who claim to want contact and PDA functions on a device, without the synergies that come from joining phone and PDA naturally. In some ways its enough to know that with the iPhone, you can't have the phone without the data plan - AT&T won't allow it. The underlying message being, there are better devices out there (the LG-V comes to mind) for nondata users that want a full keyboard device.

Going forward ALL the neat features and programs that go into Smartphones and the like will meld with data delivery. I don't, personally, look forward to the proliferation of postings to strings that address Google Map-like programs with never ending questions "Will it use data?". Of course it will use data. Going forward if it's neat and you want the feature on the phone, it will more-than-likely use data.

spork27 · 07-29-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by backdown00

Let me try to explain it again. You are not going to pay a monthly fee for the pay per kb plan. Thats why you can choose that plan and block out data and have no charges. The thing is you have to have a data plan, its a must, all pda/smartphones require one. the difference is that you can choose a pay per kb plan and block the data to prevent any charges or prevent any usage of data. Please refer to the link above as it explains it even better

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You can't "remove" the pay per kb plan", it will always be on the account. If you try to change it, it will ask you if you want the 29.99 plan or 44.99 plan. Most people on Verizon who want a phone for its pda abilities and not the internet sign up with the pay per kb plan and block data. There are no monthly charges and they wont ever incur a charge because data is block. Not to try and confuse anyone further but a data block does not count as a data plan, its just an added feature you can put on the account by calling CS.

Let me preface this by saying, I understand that we're just arguing semantics at this point.

The pay per kb I don't technically consider a plan because it'll never be listed as a plan under your services. It is a default action taken if you don't have a plan, this is true whether you have a smartphone or just a regular phone (ie. if I decided to use the Openwave browser on my old LG VX8100). The only phones that Verizon offers that require a data plan are Blackberrys. You can have a smartphone without a data plan just as you can have a regular phone without a data plan. My reasoning for this is shown below, as you can see pay per kb is not listed as a 'plan'. In fact, I do not have a data plan at all listed because I don't have a data plan.

backdown00 · 07-29-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by spork27

Let me preface this by saying, I understand that we're just arguing semantics at this point.

The pay per kb I don't technically consider a plan because it'll never be listed as a plan under your services. It is a default action taken if you don't have a plan, this is true whether you have a smartphone or just a regular phone (ie. if I decided to use the Openwave browser on my old LG VX8100). The only phones that Verizon offers that require a data plan are Blackberrys. You can have a smartphone without a data plan just as you can have a regular phone without a data plan. My reasoning for this is shown below, as you can see pay per kb is not listed as a 'plan'. In fact, I do not have a data plan at all listed because I don't have a data plan.

The reason I don't even want to count what is written on your account is because it seems you are missing many of the features from AC that I seem to have listed on mine. call forwarding, 3-Way Calling Call Forward - No Answer, No Answer/Transfer etc. For whatever reason, your account is not listing all of its features. You somehow might be an "exception" in some way, or you had those features removed somehow (not sure why you would want to do that) but everyone signing up currently will have some sort of pda plan.

That aside, we are discussing the current conditions. Currently Verizon will not let you activate a pda phone without at least having the pay as you go plan. Even if you try to an esn switch online to a pda phone, it makes you select a "plan".

I don't want to start a flame war or any of that, but its not semantics, Verizon considers pay as you go a data plan, it is included in all of their books and coumentation that list all available plans. It may be semantics in your eyes, but in the eyes of the corporation, the ones billing it out, it is a viable and real plan.