Windows XP Dial up networking bluetooth or tethering

[jasoninaz]

Installed Motorola USB driver (*supplied on cd, or website here
http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncomm...=1&zipcode=
created a Dial up connection through windows (XP sp2)
phone number = *99#
username: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
password: CINGULAR1
Next go to Control Panel>
Phone and Modems>
click on Motorola USB ... >
Properties > Advanced tab >
type +CGDCONT=1,"IP","apn_name" (*Replacing apn_name with your APN like WAP.CINGULAR <<NOTICE THE UPPERCASE!)

Here is the newest usb drivers January 18, 2008


This USB Driver is used for connecting your Motorola handset to a 32-bit Windows computer via a USB cable.

Ok, I went out and purchased a bluetooth dongle for my laptop because I don't like wires. It was about 30 bucks and it rocks.

http://us.kensington.com/html/9403.html

you tell your phone to accept connections from your laptop and it will use the modem on the phone and expect to get about 320bps and 128 up.

And never ever tell AT&T your doing this. I had to show the guys at the ATT store how to do this. Otherwise you will pay for tethering.

[kareljack]

I have a question. If I use the internet connection sharing tool on my Q9H, will AT@T know about it and bill me accordingly?
Thanks.

[jasoninaz]

I've been using it for months now. Over bluetooth, its impossible for them to monitor the data over the bluetooth connection. Now tethering, I used tethering when I was in PA because it was before I picked up the bluetooth adapter. No change either and I'll explain why below.

Because your using WAP.CINGULARGPRS.COM and the native password to the device they don't know the difference between the computer and the device. I know this because I used to work in support of an cellphone company and we noticed a few people whom had figured this trick out. The problem is, it would be a total nightmare for them to change the user names and passwords, its pretty uniform across the board and, you are talking about a change that would affect millions if they decided to really care about it.

I even showed the guys in the ATT office and they thought it rocked. They also confirmed the user name and password to the proxy server. Which is what I listed above.

Also there is no difference between the tethered speeds and this way. The difference is your paying for something you can get for free.

Jason

Originally Posted by kareljack

I have a question. If I use the internet connection sharing tool on my Q9H, will AT@T know about it and bill me accordingly?
Thanks.

[mexiken]

Originally Posted by kareljack

I have a question. If I use the internet connection sharing tool on my Q9H, will AT@T know about it and bill me accordingly?
Thanks.

Thats a very touchy subject. In the end, it depends on how much you use it. If you are attempting to use the phone instead of a home ISP, then yes, you WILL get caught. If you occasionally use it while at the airport, or here and there when you don't have an internet connection, then you will most likely be okay.

Another safe purchase is to buy PDAnet. Its a very legitimate, well made program that makes using the internet and tethering quite easy. When it comes to legality, you could make an argument (though I don't know how truly successful in the end) that you're using a legitimate program that you're paying for, and you should be allowed to use it to its fullest capabilities. You are using a feature of your phone.

[kareljack]

Thanks for your responses. I hope I dont seem obtuse here but I just want to make sure.
I am using the internet connection sharing tool on my Q9H while connected via USB. I also have an unlimited data/PDA ) plan. When I select the sharing tool on my phone it shows that I am using the media.net connection.
Now, one of you says that I wont get noticed and the other says I will ...depending on useage. I will stop for now, but does anyone know for sure?
Thanks for your time and patience with my questions.

[ninjaap]

Originally Posted by mexiken

Thats a very touchy subject. In the end, it depends on how much you use it. If you are attempting to use the phone instead of a home ISP, then yes, you WILL get caught. If you occasionally use it while at the airport, or here and there when you don't have an internet connection, then you will most likely be okay.

Another safe purchase is to buy PDAnet. Its a very legitimate, well made program that makes using the internet and tethering quite easy. When it comes to legality, you could make an argument (though I don't know how truly successful in the end) that you're using a legitimate program that you're paying for, and you should be allowed to use it to its fullest capabilities. You are using a feature of your phone.

No offense mexiken, but that doesn't make sense to me. The phone is already capable of tethering out of the box. The only difference is that PDAnet configures the settings for you automatically. Why pay someone to do that when you already know the settings and able to configure it manually. It's like paying for tethering twice. The issue is not whether an app or you are tethering. The issue is that your comp is tethered to your phone and is accessing the carrier's network. And that's what the carrier wants you to pay for. Which is bull ish!

I have used the above method already. Haven't got billed yet. But then again I rarely use it as I leave my laptop at home most of the time.

[mexiken]

Originally Posted by kareljack

Thanks for your responses. I hope I dont seem obtuse here but I just want to make sure.
I am using the internet connection sharing tool on my Q9H while connected via USB. I also have an unlimited data/PDA ) plan. When I select the sharing tool on my phone it shows that I am using the media.net connection.
Now, one of you says that I wont get noticed and the other says I will ...depending on useage. I will stop for now, but does anyone know for sure?
Thanks for your time and patience with my questions.

Well, I might agree with Jason in regards to the proxy, however, its quite obvious as to the session data sizes when you're using your phone and a PC. They're printed, in detail, on your bill.

The average mobile page might be around 4-40 KB. PC sites start around 100 and go up from there .

For example, I just launched yahoo.com from both my PC and phone.

Phone = 4.05 KB
PC = ~119 KB

Now just imagine, EVERY page you click, the disparity between the two sizes doubles. So say you click 2 pages, the difference in size is not 115 KB, but somewhere around 230. And it keeps going that way.

Anyone who thinks that they can somehow "hide" their internet usage (as far as data transferred) is just fooling themselves. There really isn't any way to get close to PC usage sizes on a phone. Too many websites have mobile versions of pages now. Just not gonna happen. So therefore, AT&T could very easily do a quick study, find out what the HEAVIEST legitimate users of PDA internet use, and write a quick billing app that flags accounts that are higher than that. Verizon already has a cap in place, its stated so in its contract and promo material mentioning internet access. And AT&T already has marketing programs that flag people who use services for which they have no plan for. So, there is no hiding it from them in the end, however, it just depends how much you use for them to justify coming after you and so forth.

[jasoninaz]

About two months ago I got a call from them about my data usage downloading books from audible.com. There is a smartphone feature called audible air. I download my books and podcasts via audible and they end up on my sd card. They started to talk about policy and this and that, I said well I signed up for unlimited data. So if you want to cancel my contract you can do that. But I'll post the conversation and outcome on digg.com, you see I told the lady, image is everything, and with the new Iphone if you start telling everyone that the unlimited is not really unlimited people will think twice about AT&T and they won't pick AT&T as a carrier.

Originally Posted by mexiken

Well, I might agree with Jason in regards to the proxy, however, its quite obvious as to the session data sizes when you're using your phone and a PC. They're printed, in detail, on your bill.

The average mobile page might be around 4-40 KB. PC sites start around 100 and go up from there .

For example, I just launched yahoo.com from both my PC and phone.

Phone = 4.05 KB
PC = ~119 KB

Now just imagine, EVERY page you click, the disparity between the two sizes doubles. So say you click 2 pages, the difference in size is not 115 KB, but somewhere around 230. And it keeps going that way.

Anyone who thinks that they can somehow "hide" their internet usage (as far as data transferred) is just fooling themselves. There really isn't any way to get close to PC usage sizes on a phone. Too many websites have mobile versions of pages now. Just not gonna happen. So therefore, AT&T could very easily do a quick study, find out what the HEAVIEST legitimate users of PDA internet use, and write a quick billing app that flags accounts that are higher than that. Verizon already has a cap in place, its stated so in its contract and promo material mentioning internet access. And AT&T already has marketing programs that flag people who use services for which they have no plan for. So, there is no hiding it from them in the end, however, it just depends how much you use for them to justify coming after you and so forth.

[kareljack]

I think I'll just play it safe and just forget about tethering. Even if I get PDANet working (I neglected to mention that I tried it but couldnt get it to work) just the fact about the huge discrepancies in page view sizes is enough to concern me.
I appreciate everyone's input in this matter. Thanks.

[jasoninaz]

Thats the thing, PDANET sucks, I've looked at the code and it just doing a piggyback on the internet share, its no difference than I what I posted.

Why would you pay for something that you can do yourself? Don't get suckered into buying that pos program.