i was worried about the battery life - Page 3 - Motorola Q Forum

Guardian · 05-04-2008, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mexiken

Was just about to say the same thing....now I'm a slight bit confused....

what are you confused about buddy?

mexiken · 05-04-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Guardian

Thanks Paco and you are right, there is no memory issues with Lithium and that's why I put it in "quotes" because there is no hard memory but it does carry a charge memory in the sense that the material will hold the charge differently when confused and exposed to too much chaotic behavior.

Bingo with the charge cycle and that's why I try to maximize how much of each charge I use before recharging. Although unfortunately the fact that now they are USB powered, when I connect it to the computer for sync, it charges the phone as well but the only way I can counter that is to set the USB charge mode to SLOW charge to minimize the damage.

Anyway, good times.

There should be only one type of memory effect, or am I wrong ????

Guardian · 05-04-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mexiken

There should be only one type of memory effect, or am I wrong ????

Well, yes/no. When it comes to actual memory in the sense of something designated to remember, then no. But just like a shirt or tube socks you wear and eventually it memory fits to your shape and size, that's a memory type too like how you use your batter or abuse it if you will.

mexiken · 05-05-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Guardian

Well, yes/no. When it comes to actual memory in the sense of something designated to remember, then no. But just like a shirt or tube socks you wear and eventually it memory fits to your shape and size, that's a memory type too like how you use your batter or abuse it if you will.

What you're describing though IS memory effect. There is no actual memory on Ni-Cd batteries, but they suffer from memory effect described by the chemical processes you mentioned. So its like you're saying, and I could be wrong if I'm still confused, that you seem to think Paco was referring to any other kind, when he was referring to the same chemical processes that give it a "memory" effect, which is why I'm confused.

Guardian · 05-05-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mexiken

What you're describing though IS memory effect. There is no actual memory on Ni-Cd batteries, but they suffer from memory effect described by the chemical processes you mentioned. So its like you're saying, and I could be wrong if I'm still confused, that you seem to think Paco was referring to any other kind, when he was referring to the same chemical processes that give it a "memory" effect, which is why I'm confused.

Yes, it is. I know there is no actual memory, goodness. Lithium Ion batteries don't feel it as much as Ni-Cd but they do no matter what anyone tells you if you don't treat them right. A battery's life cycle is a memory of type although not the ones we are used to. I know I am making this as clear as mud but trust me in my head it makes perfect sense. Been a tech too long and not a teacher enough.

mexiken · 05-05-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Guardian

Yes, it is. I know there is no actual memory, goodness. Lithium Ion batteries don't feel it as much as Ni-Cd but they do no matter what anyone tells you if you don't treat them right. A battery's life cycle is a memory of type although not the ones we are used to. I know I am making this as clear as mud but trust me in my head it makes perfect sense. Been a tech too long and not a teacher enough.

I get what you're saying now, thanks for the clarification.

Guardian · 05-05-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mexiken

I get what you're saying now, thanks for the clarification.

You have no idea how relieved I am, as I was running out of ways to say it

U-2 · 05-05-2008, 04:19 PM

Actually, it is not a good idea to fully discharge Li-Ion battery all the time. It shortens the battery life. Check the article on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery

Guardian · 05-05-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by U-2

Actually, it is not a good idea to fully discharge Li-Ion battery all the time. It shortens the battery life. Check the article on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery

To each their own. Ultimately people need to make their own decisions. I am just sharing was has worked for me for almost a decade, not meant to be the final word.

Just a note, many parts of the Wiki page posted are not verified and are pending sources. Thanks for the post.

mexiken · 05-05-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by U-2

Actually, it is not a good idea to fully discharge Li-Ion battery all the time. It shortens the battery life. Check the article on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery

I was gonna point that one out too, but I figured, hey, why argue. Guardian has formed his own opinion already anyway, and no one would know the 100% correct answer unless you tore a battery apart and studied it anyway, because you can form a hypothesis about pretty much anything, but you cant prove or disprove it until you do controlled experiments, eliminating any outstanding variables. So I pretty much follow whats on that Wiki page. I've taken my Li-on battery off my laptop so as to minimize its exposure to heat, as it kills Li-on batterie's lifespans.

Just my 2 cents.