The smartphone is dead unless WM is abandoned

[cheri]

maybe its that time of the month.

My boss considered getting a Q but then decided to stick with his treo that has palm OS but switched providers and got another treo.

Even when I talked to vzw re: this Q they admit the Q was more for the business environment. When the time comes I will probably ask for another Q for my birthday lol. This is the first phone that i havent tired of with in a few months.

i dont know much abt the palm os but i wanted wm. im guessing that is something everyone that bought one wanted or they could have bought something else.

[mike250rs]

windows has always been somewhat bloated, it happens when the programmers try to account for the many things people want to do with it. Then add on top the service providers unique software.

You said that WM was holding the smartphone back when in fact it is the carriers that hold back many things. To some extent I undewrstand why. Eventualy I would like to see service pack updates like what is offered for the full version. This may eventualy happen as technology continues to develope.

[rudeboy]

Originally Posted by rdstoll

Sensitive group on here.

My whole point was not to "complain" but to simply state my personal view that WM is holding back the potential of smartphones. That's it. If voicing personal views is not tolerated on this board than so be it. Frankly, I have never understood why people in these forums are so willing to stick up for the phone makers and MSFT, no matter the evidence.

your "evidence" differs from my experiences, and sa previous posters said, you can voice your opinions.. and so can we. the reason i am "sticking up" for the Q is because mine works good.
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Originally Posted by rdstoll

And I must say I have a very hard time believing the people on here that claim they never have to reboot the phone. I'm on my THIRD Q and had two Treos before this and each and every single one of them required restarting the phone on a fairly regular basis and/or going into the task manager to "kill" running programs. I've done all the tweak/hacks imaginable to try to correct this issue but there is just so much that can be done. All of my coworkers that have these devices get the same thing. And the crux of the problem is that WM is bloatware and the device makers continue to try to get away with providing the barebones horsepower required to run it.

your unwillingness to believe me is your problem, not mine... why would i make stuff up like that ? + you changed if this was directed at me my words, i said i can go weeks without rebooting, i have not said i never reboot the phone.. killing tasks does little for the performance or reliability, there is no proof for that.

[troutseth]

Originally Posted by rudeboy

your "evidence" differs from my experiences, and sa previous posters said, you can voice your opinions.. and so can we. the reason i am "sticking up" for the Q is because mine works good.




your unwillingness to believe me is your problem, not mine... why would i make stuff up like that ? + you changed if this was directed at me my words, i said i can go weeks without rebooting, i have not said i never reboot the phone.. killing tasks does little for the performance or reliability, there is no proof for that.

It is actually kinda funny. I switched to the Q from the Treo. Reason I got rid of my Treo: It would reboot itself randomly. My replacement treo . . . same issue. Bottom line I think the phone industry in general has serious quality control issues and it doesn't matter who the manufacturer or what the OS. I will say this, the Palm OS had a lot of intuitive placement of user and menu options. I liked that above WM. However, Palm has been doing this three times as long as WM so it should expected. However, my experience is my Q is more stable than the Palm ever was.

Also in terms of evolution . . . look at the Palm OS from 5 years ago versus today. Now look at WM 2002/2003 versus WM 6. Now, which OS is making more advancements?

[lil_sunshine]

First off, let me say that I love my Q9M. That said, here’s the way I read the original post, Microsoft could do better and we as customers should demand better. For example, the iPhone did not have a notes app when it was first introduced. Apple customers complained. Apple added a notes app and provided it as a patch to its customer at no extra charge. Meanwhile, Microsoft customers are touting the fact that we can buy software to make the phone do stuff that Treos and iPhone do right out of the box.

I say we should be flooding Microsoft’s mailbox with our demands. Here’s my list:

1. Threaded SMS
2. Visual Voicemail
3. Functional calendar and To Do list
4. Global Search
5. Copy/cut and paste
6. Notes that sync with Outlook
7. Desktop-like web browser
8. Functional music player (Microsoft should just buy TCMP or Pocketplayer because Windows Media Player is the worst; I don’t even like it on my PC).
9. NO CRASHES
10. GIVE THESE FEATURES TO ME IN PATCHES OR UPGRADE THE SOFTWARE FREE; DO NOT MAKE ME BUY A WHOLE NEW PHONE!

Some of these features already exist on PocketPCs, others are standard on other phones, all can be added to Smartphones (including visual voicemail) but in most cases, it’s gonna cost ya.

[Technician]

Originally Posted by lil_sunshine

First off, let me say that I love my Q9M. That said, here’s the way I read the original post, Microsoft could do better and we as customers should demand better. For example, the iPhone did not have a notes app when it was first introduced. Apple customers complained. Apple added a notes app and provided it as a patch to its customer at no extra charge. Meanwhile, Microsoft customers are touting the fact that we can buy software to make the phone do stuff that Treos and iPhone do right out of the box.

I say we should be flooding Microsoft’s mailbox with our demands. Here’s my list:

1. Threaded SMS
2. Visual Voicemail
3. Functional calendar and To Do list
4. Global Search
5. Copy/cut and paste
6. Notes that sync with Outlook
7. Desktop-like web browser
8. Functional music player (Microsoft should just buy TCMP or Pocketplayer because Windows Media Player is the worst; I don’t even like it on my PC).
9. NO CRASHES
10. GIVE THESE FEATURES TO ME IN PATCHES OR UPGRADE THE SOFTWARE FREE; DO NOT MAKE ME BUY A WHOLE NEW PHONE!

Some of these features already exist on PocketPCs, others are standard on other phones, all can be added to Smartphones (including visual voicemail) but in most cases, it’s gonna cost ya.

Threaded SMS and visual Email I have no idea why I would ever want them.

Like you said most of what you are after can be purchased what I do not understand is when you buy a computer you need to buy applications so when you buy and mobile computer why should people expect everything to be free.

As a few people said I get no crashes on my Q9h.
When I first got my phone went crazy and installed everything had to do a master reset. Since then I am careful no crashes at all.

People with mobile computers are like people desktop machines they tend to download junk which causes problems. The power of open computing has responsibilities you have freedom to bloat your device.

Apples solution with the iPhone is to lock it down, people did not like that much from what I read.

[lil_sunshine]

Originally Posted by Technician

Threaded SMS and visual Email I have no idea why I would ever want them.

Like you said most of what you are after can be purchased what I do not understand is when you buy a computer you need to buy applications so when you buy and mobile computer why should people expect everything to be free.

As a few people said I get no crashes on my Q9h.
When I first got my phone went crazy and installed everything had to do a master reset. Since then I am careful no crashes at all.

People with mobile computers are like people desktop machines they tend to download junk which causes problems. The power of open computing has responsibilities you have freedom to bloat your device.

Apples solution with the iPhone is to lock it down, people did not like that much from what I read.

Windows Media Player crashes my phone. Stopped using it. It stopped crashing. Also, you should never have to buy separate calendar/to do list software for a PDA. That's what they were invented for for God sakes. Now, I don't think that Microsoft should include every piece of software ever invented, but they should add features that make the phone better PDA/communication/media devices. And, I think it's fair for consumers to expect their phones to have certain basic feature right from out of the box.

Furthermore, I'm not arguing that my Q is better or worse than any other device out there. I love it in fact, thanks in large part to this site and this forum. I use it as an all in one device (PDA/Phone/iPod/light computing). But, honestly, there is room for improvement with the Windows operating system and Microsoft should be held to account.

[My-Q]

Motorola should make the move to Linux for it's smart phones. They already use it for some of it's phones. Linux has proven to be much more stable than Windows and can be distro'd to be better than Palm ever wanted to be. Linux has moved from its infancy, as a geek/nerd toy, to a powerful OS, easier to work with than Windows. Like Windows, the modern distros of Linux are easy to install but much more simpler.

[organicjerk]

Originally Posted by lil_sunshine

Furthermore, I'm not arguing that my Q is better or worse than any other device out there. I love it in fact, thanks in large part to this site and this forum. I use it as an all in one device (PDA/Phone/iPod/light computing). But, honestly, there is room for improvement with the Windows operating system and Microsoft should be held to account.

Agreed. We praise developers when they excel, but always hold them to account for the hundreds of dollars we spend.

Yes, to strive for perfection is ultimately fruitless, but to settle for anything less than the best job someone can do is regressive.

No one has ever benefited from the existence of a fanboy who is quick to shut down someone who offers the question of progress/difference/purpose.

[cwintermeyer]

Originally Posted by organicjerk

Agreed. We praise developers when they excel, but always hold them to account for the hundreds of dollars we spend.

Yes, to strive for perfection is ultimately fruitless, but to settle for anything less than the best job someone can do is regressive.

No one has ever benefited from the existence of a fanboy who is quick to shut down someone who offers the question of progress/difference/purpose.

Wow, very well said.